Short Summary
Main recommendation: Do the "influence versus concern" exercise regularly by drawing a line down a sheet of paper, listing your worries on the "concern" side and only things you directly control on the "influence" side, to reduce anxiety and reclaim a sense of agency. The speakers say the influence side usually contains little more than yourself, and that focusing energy there is what restores agency. They also recommend limiting phone screen time as a related way to reduce the "concern" column.
Key Points
- The exercise is adapted from a framework the speakers credit to others: your sphere of influence is very small, while your sphere of concern is very large.
- Most worries (social media, the news, things you can't control) belong in the concern column, and writing them down helps you see which attachments are unhealthy.
- Recognizing that you cannot control outcomes but fully control your response is presented as the core of the agency gained from the exercise.
- Social media, past acquaintances, and algorithms expand the concern column, but the speakers argue that engagement with them is optional.
- The guest says cutting phone screen time sharply and moving social media use to a laptop reportedly improved his mental health in January, in his own experience.
Details Worth Noting
- Concrete instructions: Take a standard sheet of paper and draw a line down the middle. Label one side "concern" and the other "influence." Write down everything occupying your waking hours on the concern side. On the influence side, write only what you directly control, which the speaker says is usually just yourself: your thoughts, how you speak to yourself, how you plan your day, and how you manage your time.
- Concrete instructions: Do the exercise when thoughts keep you awake. The speaker says they do it about once a week now, and earlier about once a month or every six months. If sticky thoughts wake you, get out of bed rather than staring at the ceiling.
- Concrete instructions: Use the exercise to check whether an attachment is healthy or unhealthy. Ask whether the worry changes the outcome; the speaker's view is that only the right-hand column does.
- Concrete instructions: To reduce the concern column, try cutting total phone use. The speakers, with a named guest, set a January goal of under one hour of total daily phone use. One reached about 90 minutes and the speaker reached 30 minutes, mainly by shifting activity to a laptop, where the interface is less sticky.
- The speaker jokingly says electronic device light right before bed is 'best,' and sarcastically adds that looking at devices rather than sunlight first thing in the morning is also 'best' — this is sarcasm, not a real recommendation.
- The speakers note that high school reunions were once the main way to see past acquaintances, while social media now makes constant awareness of many people possible.
Bottom Line
The exercise is a low-cost tool for separating what you can control from what only occupies your attention, and reducing phone and social media use is a practical way to shrink the worry column.





