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Rob Berger - The Two 5-Year Roth IRA Rules Explained | Here's How They Work

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Short Summary

Main recommendation: Open and fund a Roth IRA as early as possible so the five-year Roth IRA account rule gets satisfied, since once met it applies to all current and future Roth IRAs. Separately, each Roth IRA conversion has its own five-year clock, and withdrawing converted amounts early can trigger a 10% penalty, which is why early retirees often use a conversion ladder.

Key Points

  • The first five-year rule (Roth IRA account rule) determines whether earnings withdrawn are subject to income tax; it does not determine the 10% penalty.
  • The IRS treats all Roth IRA accounts as one pot, so satisfying the five-year rule once covers every Roth IRA you open later.
  • Being 59½ or older does not exempt you from the account rule: earnings withdrawn before satisfying it are still taxable income.
  • The second five-year rule applies to each conversion separately and prevents avoiding the 10% penalty on early traditional IRA withdrawals by converting first.
  • Roth 401(k) years do not count toward the Roth IRA five-year rule after a rollover, so a new Roth IRA may need its own five-year period.

Details Worth Noting

  • Concrete instructions: Open a Roth IRA and make contributions as early as possible to begin the five-year clock; once satisfied, it never needs to be satisfied again.
  • Concrete instructions: If retiring early, convert a year's worth of expenses each year over several years, then wait for each conversion's five-year period to lapse before withdrawing it to avoid the 10% penalty (the "conversion ladder").
  • Concrete instructions: Withdrawals are applied in order: regular contributions first (tax- and penalty-free), then conversions and rollovers on a first-in, first-out basis, and earnings last.
  • Concrete instructions: Do not try to separate contributions and earnings across different Roth IRA accounts to manipulate the ordering rules; the IRS treats all Roth IRAs as one pot.
  • Qualified distributions require both the five-year holding period and a qualifying event (age 59½ or older, disability, death/beneficiary, or first-time home purchase). The speaker notes first-time home buyer withdrawals still owe income tax on earnings if the five-year rule is unmet, and beneficiaries face the same rule if the owner dies before it is satisfied.
  • The speaker recommends getting professional tax advice before making important decisions about these rules.

Bottom Line

The account rule is a one-time hurdle that governs taxes on earnings, while the conversion rule is a per-conversion hurdle that governs the 10% penalty, so early planning for both matters for anyone who might withdraw before age 59½ or rely on conversions.